Just LOVEN God, Bible college grad. Sinner saved by grace, Ordained minister, self employed, financially free. Very conservative minded, outspoken, old romantic at heart CEO/Founder of SOME1CARES MINISTRIES specializing in help & hope for the hurting, counseling, training, teaching life skills as well as offering biblical inspiration.
Also Ceo/ Exe. Pres of Rendon Financial services: Offering financial stewardship training and pre investment counseling from a biblical perspective These are just
a few of the many scriptures that address the issue of the deity of Christ
(God) how he consist within his various roles and functions, what his physical
and spiritual make up is? Otherwise known as the Godhead!
Let’s biblically try to clarify his make up, composite nature,
essence and attributes, we will then get a clearer more concise and complete
understanding of how the various attributes and manifestations actually
work in unity and harmony within a divine plan? working together in a unified purpose! will, substance and
plan.
But
bare in mind that our conceptualization of who he is, is limited to our frail
human logic? thus we can never really truly grasp nor understand totally his
essence or nature, without the help of his Holy Spirit indwelt presence and
revelation. Rather we know of him thru his word, and the world we see? As he is
revealed to us thru his word and our experiences in this world. By reflecting
upon those experiences we can thus compare our circumstances to his purpose for
us in creation; and see how they fit in the grand scheme of things in his
divine plan?
For every situation and person, can reveal
and acknowledge something of the nature and glory of God.
“ The heavens declare the glory of God and the skies show his
handiwork..” “ and what man knoweth the things of God save the Spirit of God
within him..”
So
we see it is not by our reasoning process that we figure him out? but by what
the bible saids! we are not asked to reason his essence nor divinity but only
to believe by faith what is expressed and explained in his word and creation, a
fact proclaimed authoritively! That He is one! He is God!
alone!
Let
us first establish that he is as God, Almighty, greater than us! And wiser than
us! Since he
“created “us and “all things
for his good pleasure” he is thus not only greater and more honorable
than us! but more qualified to rule and lead as well, and has rights OVER our being and our future!
Inclusive
of authority over us! “ and God formed man out of the
dust of the ground.. and God breathed into man’s nostrils the breath of life
and man became a living soul.. “In the beginning God created
(not
gods created?) the heavens ..
Hence
if we are then just a minute part of his total essence and nature?
Then
he is consequently greater! NOTICE: when God breathed part of his make
up into man we became a living (eternal) soul that lives forever, and where we
will live in eternity is determined by who we recognized and worshiped (or
rather served) as Lord.
Albeit
demon or divine? “ for you
cannot serve two masters for either you will love the one and hate the other..”
for it is appointed unto man once to die after this the judgment”
So you see we don’t just die, just to be awakened to be put back
to sleep again?
For what purpose would the judgment have or serve? If there are no
consequences to sin?
No punishment? Sleep is not a punishment so don’t even go there, hello!
God is no dummy, he’s not confused, he knows what He’s doing. Another
point to consider is this? knowing the hell that Satan was going to cause
this world do you think for one moment that God would not have just wiped out
Satan if it were possible?
Think with me for a moment.. his soul too will live forever? “for hell was created for the devil and his
followers..” (as a place of confinement until the day of redemption and
judgment when he will finally be cast into the lake of fire)
so
you see because God gave us the breath of life we have a part of his eternal
essence
(thus our soul lives forever and will either be given the
liberty of Heaven or confined to the torment of Hell at the end of the age!
Because every soul must have a place to live eternally?) Thus we are only a minute part of his make up and
this makes us less than him, remember in Colossians 1: It saids Jesus is the firstborn (prototokos) the firstborn of creation and of the dead” not first by
birth physically but by virtue of his deity, his pre-eminence!
Again
Colossians states the Jesus is the origin of creation, (however
here we have a problem because the bible saids “ in the beginning God created
.. “not Jesus created? yet here we
clearly have the bible saying Jesus is the source of all creation? what’s wrong here?
The word in the Greek for origin actually means the
first bringer forth of, the originator of, the source of, thus it is saying
both God and Jesus are the source of creation as one being!)
And
firstborn from the dead, though others were raised from the dead before him?
Jesus
was the only one who was raised from the dead, to never see death again unlike
the others who were raised but went on to die again eventually.
Remember
he is God creator we are God created! we need him he doesn’t need us. We cant
live without him but he can live without us!
So
why the teaching of more than one God? it is a trick of the enemy!
If
he (Satan) can get us to believe in more than one God?
Then
he will try to sneak in somewhere so he can get us to worship him as a god?
Remember
his fall from nobility was because he wanted to be like God?
“for I will be the like the
most high.. I will be as God..” (Isaiah
14: ) Thus his desire shows that he is less than God! So he deceives many with
his lies of many Gods? Albeit deism, theism, docetism, polytheism, trinitarianism
and TRI THEISIM.
Now
lets take a closer look at some scriptures used for and against his deity?
“my father is greater than I.” Romans 8:48, the word used in the Greek is Meizon
which means to be greater quantitively but not qualitively?
Thus
God was greater than Jesus (in his humanity) by virtue of his deity and
divinity his pre-eminence, of which Jesus in his humanity choose not to rely on
nor draw upon.
Remember
in the book of Philippians it said’s he emptied himself of his right to draw on
his deity, royalty, and power (called the Kenosis) thus
he was Qualitively the same as God
but Quantitively less due to his choice.
Again lets look at verse 6-7, “who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal
with God ..“did not count equality with a God a thing to be grasped“
(the word used for equal here in the original Greek means a set
of characteristics which constitutes
a thing or person and what it is) It is generally
held the thrust of verse 6 is that Jesus possessed equality with God not subordination? But did not attempt to draw upon it!
Hence equality with God was something he antecedently possessed.
And one who is equal with God must be God! (the Greek word for qualitively different; as used in
the book of Hebrews is Kreitton)
Why? would he draw on and live from the perspective
of his humanity only?
So
that he would know what it was like to live in a human body of flesh and bone
just like us? to struggle? cry? be tempted? fear? hurt? to be rejected? etc..
So you see if he had drawn on his deity as God to help him, to
numb the pain, to fight on his behalf, to lift the burdens.
Then he would not be able to truly say that he “was in all points tempted as we are“?
Let alone know what it feels like as a human to suffer? To feel
abandoned? Rejected? etc.
And in that state of humanity he cried out as a human would and
sometimes does?
“my God my God, why has thou forsaken me?” he did not carry the sin and pain of this world as God but
rather as a sinless human begotten of the father.
Ye God in flesh minus his right to draw on and feel that
deity and authority!
Though he was God he didn’t feel as God at that moment of
payment for our sins.
Then “ I am that I am..” ..before Abraham was I am..” the
Greek word used here is Ego eimi: which means the self existing eternal one, to
inhabit eternity.
In
other words he has always existed! Notice he said before Abraham was I am?
Abraham
had already been dead several hundred years? Yet Jesus said I am! Not was, not
will be, but is!
How
is this? Simply because (God) Jesus cannot be restrained nor defined by the
element of time. For he inhabits eternity, time you see was made TO CONTAIN
mankind in his physical makeup? Not God?
For
heaven and hell which is eternal will receive, and contain or restrain mans
sinful soulish or spiritual nature?
At
a certain point in time, because the soul is eternal; it must live somewhere in
eternity?
But
as for God he already exist and inhabits eternity!
That’s
why he said he has neither ending nor beginning? He just IS! Always has been! A
rather difficult concept for us humans to comprehend let alone accept, due to
our finite thinking faculties.
And
yet in another place he said’s “ He is the image of the
invisible God” the word used here for image is Imago Dei which
implies or means the exact and complete representation or manifestation
of God! Not a copy? Not a likeness? Which by the way is a different word in the
Greek? Thus he is an exact replication or manifestation of God in his
completeness!’
God was manifest in flesh..” 11 Timothy 3:16
(Remember that the Greek is an exact & precise
language that is why Jesus choose to use it in the writing of the N.T. bible
(known as the Septuagent) the Greek language does not allow for the denying,
spiritualizing, stretching or rejection
of literal facts as worded in the Greek text)
And
another: “ In the beginning was God and the word was
with God, and the word was God.. and he became flesh and dwelt among us, and we
beheld the glory as of the only begotten of the father”
Here is where
some people have denied and even actually changed the verses translation?
Even against all Greek grammatical construction?
For the word
God Which is (Theos) (which is the subject here) is a
predicate nominative and is proceeded by the word WAS which is an intransitive
verb? And thus cannot carry an object? Therefore it must refer back to
the subject? (the word) And because it follows a predicate
nominative the person spoken of in the
beginning GOD
cannot be separated from the 2nd person or object the word, which is Jesus? And so must be considered one and the
same!
To sum it all up according to Greek grammatical construction
there can be no direct object following was
since according to grammatical usage intransitive verbs (was) cannot carry
an object but instead must refer back to the predicate nominative, (God) which
refers back to the subject the word
in this case no article is needed for (God) Theos this is why it is in the
anatherous construction (but without an article) remember the Greek has no definite
article for in the Greek the article is used to point out particular identity
whereas the anatherous is used to point out character or quality.
So if there would have been an article after the word in
front of God? It would have been giving him a separate identity from the word
(Jesus) so despite
the anatherous construction and because of the intransitive verb according to
Greek grammar no article can be inserted! Meaning you cannot insert an (a) or
(the) after the word WAS! case close! They are one and the same!
Then
there is our opening text: Isaiah 43: 10-11, “ 44:6,8, 45: 22-23, “ ye are my witnesses sayeth the Lord.. that
ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he, and before me there
was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.. I even I am the
Lord and beside me there is no Savior.. and beside me there is no God.. Look unto me and be ye saved, I am God
and there is none else .. I have sworn by myself, ..the word has gone
out of my mouth and will not return void.. that unto me every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall
confess
( that Jesus is
Lord) (God)
Then in
Philippians 2:5-11, “ that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow.. and every
tongue shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord (God)“
Then in
Romans 14: 11“ for it is
written as I live sayeth the Lord ( JESUS ), every knee shall bow to me, and
every tongue shall confess..”
Then in John 6:61-62 “ ye shall see
the Son of man ascend up where he was before” Oh oh we have
a problem didn’t we just read earlier that God said there were no Gods before
him or after him?
Yet here Jesus
saids he was there before?
If he’s not God
then God would have had to be there also as another God? Unless we try to make
him a lesser God but scripturally that’s not possible?
It would seem after reading these verses that there is an apparent
contradiction or confusion?
For on the one hand we clearly have God saying that he alone is God
and he alone is the savior?
And that there is not and was not, and will not be another God
nor savior after him, yet in another
place in scripture we find Jesus saying he alone is the savior?
Why he even goes about forgiving peoples sins, and claiming his
deity!
For which they attempted to stone him and yes eventually crucified
him. Jesus is no liar!
“ let God be true and every man a liar..” And in Acts 4:12 “ for there is no other name given among
men under heaven whereby we must be saved, save the name of Jesus..”
So
we have two individuals both saying they are the only God and the only savior,
the creator, the forgiver, etc. How can this be? Either God and Jesus are
psychos or schitzo? Or worse yet liars?
Could
it be that the reason that they both can say the same thing or even claim the
same title as God?
Is
simply because they are one and the same being! Jesus said:
“ I and my father are one” he who has seen me has seen the father..”
However
When he said “ I go unto the father” he was
speaking from his humanity, before the
full and complete Hypostatic union took place of his glorified resurrected body
with Gods deity.
Remember
he came minus his deity ( but he was still God in essence).
Remember in the beginning God was a spirit and that spirit put
on a body later in time and became flesh among us.. 1 Tim 3:16 So lets
reflect on what we have discussed here, God who was a spirit in the Old Testament
claimed that he alone was God, then He put on flesh in the New Testament and
again claimed He was God and savior! now the only God we will see in heaven
will be him in His glorified humanity inclusive of his deity!
So
we see if God said that there was no God before or after him.
Then how do we explain Jesus who obviously came at
a later date in time or rather was just simply a different manifestation and
revelation of the same essence and nature of God? (remember
the bible saids that in the beginning God was a Spirit, and in John 1:13-14 it
saids that God became flesh..
Not
became another God?.. and dwelt among us) and
even claimed his deity as God?
He
did not come after God as another God? nor was he there beside God as another
God? Hence there is only one conclusion! He is God and always has been. HE
IS! Because to say he is a another person or personality, a lesser or
subordinate God. Or even another God, would have to imply that he came later
and is less qualitively aswell as quantitively thus making him a demi-god or lesser god but
the bible saids that Jesus is the almighty God!
Now some of
the verses that those who believe in a triune Godhead use:
“and being seated at the right hand of God” Oh Oh makes it look like there are two thrones or
gods? but in reality the right hand of God as used in the bible is a Hebrew
idiom, which implies in place of the power and authority of an individual, (in
sit-tu) In the same way many of us still use the term he or she is my right
hand person! but do not mean to imply that that person is at our right hand
literally?
NOTICE:
John said he saw one throne in heaven “and I saw a throne..(not three thrones) and one seated on the throne” Rev. 4:2
Yet
he claimed to have seen God in heaven! Whom he describes as JESUS?
Which
is, which was, and which is to come!
If
we know our bible we know that Jesus is
the one it says was, and is to come.
1 Thessalonians . 4:13-17 Yes some will
notice that John also saw more than one individual and will say if Jesus was on
the throne who was the one who opened the sealed book? Jesus opened the book.
This we know for a fact for the angel declared he was the only one worthy to
open it. Then how could he be on the throne? If he’s the one opening the book
as the Lamb of God and taking it from the one sitting on the throne? Which is
himself?
What John is
seeing is Jesus in his many roles and functions. He’s the Lamb of God, the Lion
of the tribe of Judah, God almighty, the Holy Spirit, the Son, the Father, etc.
but all these are one and the same!.
(Remember
the word Lord (Kurios) in the bible means Jesus as God.) for to call him Lord is
to acknowledge his Godhood (deity) Hey anybody ever notice that John didn’t see anyone at the
right hand of the throne? Jesus means Jehovah is salvation?
Jesus
prayed; “Father forgive them for they know not what
they do” father, father why hast thou
forsaken me?” Again realize that in his humanity he felt God
forsaken?
Just
like us when we hurt and are discouraged we feel Like God has left us and
forgotten us? Like he does not hear us? But he there with us despite what we
feel like? “ for I will never leave you nor forsake
you lo I am with you even until the end of the world”
“ for there are
three that bear record in heaven..(of which most trinity believers like to ignore the end of this
verse? as follows) and
these three are ONE!”
The Greek word used for the
noun forms (Holy Ghost, the Father, and the Son) is Elohim which implies an
indication or intensity of majesty and attributes, but not a multiplicity of
personalities or Gods nature..
Hence there is no subordination! nor separation? as is implied when
we split God into individual personalities or persons.
Remember
Jesus came to bare the sin of the world, to carry our pain and misery, our
shame and sickness without help from his deity.
So
he could know what it is like to live in this frail human body? Without help from
divinity to numb the pain? To face temptation and trials alone so he could
intercede on our behalf.
“he was wounded for our transgressions.. bruised for our inequities,
he bore our sorrows and carried our grief's.. so he could say “who was in
all points tempted like as we are” and who can be touched with the feelings of
our infirmities” Isaiah 53:1-5
In his flesh he was setting and demonstrating an example for us!
that we should do like wise, yes in his flesh and in great pain he felt God
forsaken as we at times do in our flesh when we are under stress and pain, and
circumstances are to hard to bare?
“my grace is
sufficient for thee” remember in
flesh He separated himself from his deity in order that he might truly feel what and how humans feel.
“ let us make man in our image..” Oh Oh here we go again with the split personality thing? not!
Well
he certainly was not speaking to the angels?
For
according to the book of Hebrews we are made a little lower than the angels.(so
we are not made in the image of angels then) neither was he talking to another
God?
“ for there is no
other God beside me”
This leaves us
only one conclusion? Remember when God plans something to be done its as good
as done as far as he is concerned?
Though
in the space of time it may not yet be completed or done?
Time
which was made for man? Cannot restrain God? For he knew that he would one day put on a body of flesh as
Jesus in the Kenosis. .
Thus
he was just talking to that body (himself) as if it were a done deal!
Do
you ever talk to yourself? Are you crazy
because you do? Of course you do, and your not crazy?
Like
wise God is not crazy yet he clearly speaks to himself in scripture on a few
occasions. Doesn’t the bible say that Jesus existed from the foundation of
the world in the beginning?
Yet
he was born at a later date? Thus he could not have been there next to God?
He
was in the mind of God! Think
about it! The problem is we try to reason his essence and deity out by our
finite mind, by what makes sense to us?
Instead
of taking what the word said’s at face value by faith!
“ for my ways are not your ways.. lean not unto your own
understanding..” for my thoughts are higher than yours”
Now
for the concept of three or many Gods, this is clearly an unbiblical teaching
and error in understanding, for the most part even most so called trinitarians
believe the same as oneness believers
do?
It
is just a matter of terminology? Though there are those who choose to relegate
and subordinate one to the other?
John
said that this kind of teaching is Ant-Christ! In his various manifestations
God was the father in creation, the Son in redemption, the Holy Spirit in
revelation and illumination. many attributes, functions and titles but all the
same in essence!
Adonai, Elohim, El shaddai,
Yeshua Hamashia, etc. and so with that in mind.... Alechem Adonai
Ephesians 4: “ one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and
father of all who is above all, in you all, and through you all”
Note that the Father,
Son and Holy Ghost are all titles of the one and the same God, notice it says
baptize them in the name of
the father not names?
(
the word used here in the Greek
for name is singular not plural?) who is the father? who is the Holy
Ghost? By the way the book of Mathew was written much later than the other
writings including the book of Acts and after the method and practice of
baptism was already a well established fact!
That
baptism was in Jesus name was known to all, and that he was the Father, the Son
and the Holy Spirit, thus in the name of: JESUS!!!!!
Notice
that if you were to review the book of Acts in chapter 2, 4,8,10,19,28 etc you
always find individuals being baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus!
And not in the name of the Father, Son and Holy
Ghost?
Even
in your dictionary or encyclopedia Britannica it saids that back from the time
of the Apostolic era baptism was always ministered in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Until
the late third century when it was changed by some Church’s to the Father, Son
and the Holy Ghost otherwise known as the so called triune formula.
As for the concept of the trinity it did not even exist nor was
it acknowledged in the apostolic era, baptism was always in Jesus name you can
even find this info. in your standard encyclopedia or dictionary!
It was not until 150 A.D. that the concept even had any support,
and not until 325 A.D. at the council of Nicea and in 357 A.D. at the council
of Constantinople.
Where it was propagated and distorted, and even then it was
considered a form of heresy!
It was Tertillian who coined the term and phrase the trinity?
Since then it has been perverted and twisted, to give it a
meaning quite different from what he meant? God is one even though he is a Father,
the Spirit, and the Son.
Just like you may be a son, a father, an uncle but yet you are
not three different persons?
You are one and the same but many titles or names?
Remember John said to believe in anything less than his Deity is
Anti-Christ, thus to split him into lesser beings or to say he is a different
personality from the father or Holy Ghost?
Is to subordinate him to one or the other? Thus this is to deny
his Deity! (deity cannot be subordinated)
Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is
antichrist “ that is
why it is important that we realize that we cannot split him up as if it is
only some minor issue?
His very nature and essence is at stake here or rather what we
believe as to his deity,
The bible says “ For I have
written .. that no lie is of the truth.. we “must believe
that he is!” one, not many?
For
to say he is Christ is to say that he is God! Not some lesser part of God? Any Christian knows that! 1st John 2:22
Still confused then read Isaiah 9:6 and ask yourself who is this?
“For unto us a child is born (JESUS) and unto us a Son is given
(JESUS) .. and his name shall be called Wonderful, counselor, THE MIGHTY
GOD! the everlasting father, the
prince of peace” (Jesus) AND YES IN REVELATION, IT EVEN SAIDS THAT JESUS IS THE
ALMIGHTY GOD! CLEARLY NO SUBORDINATION THERE!
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